Critical Thinking in Modern Times with Just a Thinker


Critical Thinking in Modern Times with Just a Thinker

Dive into deep discussions with Bryan Bootka on the “Patrick Bass Show,” where critical thinking meets biblical perspectives. Broadcasting live from Fort Smith, Arkansas, Bryan, a thinker and believer, explores complex societal issues through a Christian lens. From the ethics of drug legalization to the intricacies of immigration policy, Bryan’s insightful analysis encourages listeners to consider how biblical teachings influence modern life and policy. Whether you’re engaging through a live call-in or streaming online, prepare for a thought-provoking session that challenges conventional views and promotes a thoughtful dialogue on pressing topics. Join us on the Vanguard Radio Network and be part of the conversation.

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PATRICK (01:11.001) Okay, cue everybody, we're going live in five, four, three, two, one. And now, live from Fort Smith, Arkansas, this is a planet wide broadcast, courtesy of the World Wide Web and affiliate radio stations across the globe. It's the Patrick Bass Show with your host, Patrick Bass. PATRICK (01:52.089) brought to you by Podcast Networks Everywhere, courtesy of the World Wide Web. This show isn't for liberals, and it's not your daddy's conservative talk show. So sit down, strap in, and hang on. It's the Patrick Bass Show on the Vanguard Radio Network. And now, here's your host, Patrick Bass. Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Vanguard Radio Network. I'm your host Patrick Bass. So glad you're in with us this afternoon. If you're live on YouTube or maybe you're listening in through Podbean. Maybe you're listening in on Riverside FM. However you're listening today, I want to thank you for joining us. I got my special guest, Brian Boudka. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (02:51.342) Thank you. PATRICK (02:51.513) from Deep Behind Enemy Lines in Austin, Texas. And we're going to be hearing all about him. The call -in line number is toll free 855 -605 -8255. 855 -605 -8255. If you want to get in on the action or you can catch us on Riverside FM. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (02:54.126) Yeah. PATRICK (03:15.45) catches there on Studio Patrick Bass Studio and you can chat with us and look at our beautiful smiling faces as we harness the power of the internet to bring you the Vanguard Radio Network and the Patrick Bass Show. Brian, man, it is so good. Tell us, tell us, listen, you're the host of Just a Thinker. Tell us about that and tell us what's going on in your neck of the woods. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (03:35.822) Thank you. Yeah, so just a thinker. The intent is as a believer, as a Christian, as someone who's trying to follow Jesus, I do it poorly often, but attempting to ask questions like, am I or we really thinking biblically about the things that impact us today, right? In America, Christians, I know for me it's often easier to... Confuse things and think I'm an American first versus a Christian, right? But as we read the New Testament things Jesus called us out to be distinctly different and then if that's true if I'm living life differently How does that impact my view on? say politics, which is where ethics meets public policy, right am I really Am I thinking critically and more importantly than even critically thinking about these things? Am I thinking biblically about them and having discussions around that and then also? Discussions around what does the modern church look like? How much does it really reflect the what the apostles gave us in the New Testament? So looking at things from hopefully a biblical perspective, both in politics, right? Ethics meets public meets public policy, but also just in how am I living my life out? I think those things go along together, but that living my life out how we you and I as fellow believers, the church, how we're doing that, how we're doing church and how we're living our lives. PATRICK (05:08.153) So, Just a Thinker is really kind of an extension or an expression of how you live as a Christian, and you guys are thinking more critically and just trying to apply biblical standards to your real life, trying to do church outside of the church kind of thing. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (05:26.318) Yeah, and to give a concrete example, one thing that it's taken me many years to change how I viewed it was just laws, you know, as a Christian, was I wanting some laws to just reflect what the Lord wanted me to live as a believer versus am I trying to use the government to actually be the church? Right? Am I using the coercion of the state, if you will, to force my neighbor to love God? Sometimes we can... we can certainly see the left doing the same, but using the coercion of the state to make us love our neighbor. Right. So, you know, that really thinking about those, those struggles of how am I, am I seeing it correctly? Not just the way that's comfortable to me. Is it very, is it biblical? And so what, one way that's really impacted me is something that will, you know, throw a lot of people off is. should drugs be legalized, right? Is prohibition helping or hurting the church? Well, I would say we can spend a lot of time talking about this, but when we created prohibition, right, when we made marijuana or cannabis, cocaine, all these different drugs illegal, the net negative effect, I would argue, has been far greater than the positive effect. And so just thinking about this over, again, a long period of time, It's really shifted my view on that topic. Not to say that I think school children should have access to heroin, something terrible like that. But I spend a lot of time thinking about this, having discussions, listening to others and thinking, man, I think I've been going about this the wrong way. And I realized that there are a lot of topics kind of fall into that. I've probably been going about them the wrong way category. Has it hindered me or helped me in connecting with the lost? PATRICK (07:19.257) Well, that's a really interesting perspective you have and I think what I'm hearing you say is you don't believe that we should legislate morality. You should kind of let people live as they will, which I think is a very popular view, particularly among, let's just say it's not a left or a right thing, it's more of a freedom thing. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (07:31.054) Correct. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (07:48.878) Yeah, I mean, there are some, you know, there are, there are very much laws we should have that I think align with scripture, whether you're a believer or not. And that would be say property rights, right? If you and I can't own our stuff, if it doesn't actually belong to us, there's probably no other basis for law, whether it's your physical property or ourself as property, not meaning we're not human, but meaning I am a I have agency, I can make my own decisions as an adult over the age of 18, can enter into legal contracts. I am responsible for myself. That's separate from as a believer, right? My relationship with the Lord, but our relationship with the state, myself and my property, all law stems from that. Ultimately, I really want the government to protect only those two things. Everything else tends to... It might seem good, but it usually leads to some really negative side effects, right? I might not want the guy down the street solving his problems with painkillers, whether they're prescription, where he's bottom on the black market, or it's heroin. I think we could both see that that would be a terrible way to deal with the pain of life. But I don't think that creating the black market, the cartel, solving problem with violence, because that's what those folks are left to if they're buying it on the black market really helps us deal with those heart issues. So those are topics we'll tackle, dig into, and probably not change minds overnight, but certainly hope to have a healthy dialogue on how we can really proclaim as believers to do the things that are there are proclamations in our actions lineup, if I care about that person, making them a criminal before they go get help. PATRICK (09:34.137) Thanks. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (09:41.646) probably doesn't help the situation. And those are distinctly separate things from gang violence or cartel violence, because they're committing a crime when they're harming people beyond just the selling of the substances, if that makes sense. PATRICK (09:54.969) Love to hear what you think 855 -605 -8255. That number again, 855 -605 -TALK. If you'd like to ask Brian a question, get in on the show. Brian, I'd love to get your opinion on this. There's a recent news article says that Biden's open border policy has allowed millions of illegal aliens into the United States, approximately among those millions, an estimated 1 .7 million who were spotted but not caught. And there's the great fear that there's a lot of people now in the United States that are on a terrorist watch list. First off, as an American, how do you respond to that? Secondly, how do you respond to that as a Christian? Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (10:36.846) Yeah, you know, one of the things I think is interesting, immigration is a pretty significant topic. It has been for decades. When I started really paying attention to politics, it was just after the Reagan administration, right, about that time. And if I look back, we've been dealing with legal, illegal immigration for decades, right, the history of our country, probably. But one of the things to think about is, okay, where millions are coming across, there are some that are criminals. And I wonder that if we did a better job making it easier for those who are just coming here to work, right? Quite frankly, people in our congregations, right? Just about every congregation in America will probably have someone who's there illegally. I've met some fantastic people from Venezuela. Matter of fact, if I was born in Venezuela, I'd be here. I'd be here doing anything, right? Other than living in Venezuela. So most of the folks coming across aren't criminals. Some are, right? So you think of terrorists, people on a terrorist watch list. Man, if we made it easier for those Venezuelans to get here who just want to work and that their crime is no longer crossing some imaginary border, again, we're not talking about people who've committed property crimes, threatened, killed, harmed people to get here, but those hardworking folks who just got here, if we made it easier to get them here, imagine how much more effective our border patrol. could be in finding the actual criminals, right? Like there'd be though, because instead of coming across the river or just coming under the river or however people are getting here, they'd be coming across the bridges through the immigration lines to come work like they're doing anyway. And then again, those good folks that are putting their lives on the line, trying to protect the border would have fewer people to sort through. I would think that that would make things easier on immigration enforcement than harder. PATRICK (12:35.065) So really, and not only put words in your mouth, but basically, if they're not a criminal and they want to come here, let them come here. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (12:44.334) Yeah, no, people will say, Brian, man, you can't let everybody in the whole world come. This is true. Not everybody in the whole world is going to want to come. Right. There are simple things. If you walk across the border, you're not instantly entitled to any form of welfare. Right. You need to come here and work. But most people do matter of fact, right now in the U S if we did not have illegal immigration, we would be facing some serious hardships as a country. financially because we don't have enough. We're not the replacement population, right? The rate at which someone, the population is passing away versus new babies. We're sort of in that negative state. We're not replacing people as they pass from this life into the next fast enough. We need to have more babies, but certainly more immigration right now because that's feeding the payroll taxes. That's feeding the entitlement programs. And I'm getting into my fifth this year, I'll turn 50. I'll take the social security check when it comes. It's an entitlement. It's a tax. It's not a retirement program. It's the only legal Ponzi scheme in this country. And quite frankly, if we don't have illegals coming here and contributing to the Ponzi scheme known as social security, those people receiving it now would be in danger of not getting it. Right. Or we have to cut other things, but that's, that's a whole separate, the stewardship of our taxes, but we're not. birthing, having enough people contributing to the tax rolls just to support the program. So if you're receiving a self -security check right now, you might thank your local illegal alien for contributing to your benefit. PATRICK (14:25.753) I mean if they're working and paying taxes, yeah right. Let me ask you this, change it just a little bit and I want to cover a couple of topics and then give folks a chance to call in and again that number is 855 -605 -TALK, 855 -605 -8255. And I think this is kind of apropos for you. You know there's been a lot of... Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (14:28.278) Exactly. PATRICK (14:52.473) problems with security, particularly in churches. And I know it was, what, a couple of years ago there was a massacre at a church near San Antonio on the south side of town. You know, it's a horrible tragedy and we've all heard about those things. What do you think about churches having volunteers armed, armed volunteers to guard the worshippers during services? Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (15:04.526) Yes, sir. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (15:19.534) I think at first every congregation should be should be vigilant, right? What we've learned from taking some classes and just trying to be educated is that 99 .9 % of mass shootings are a single person. Thankfully, SEAL Team 6 is not getting angry, blocking the doors and coming into buildings and killing everyone, right? We're not having groups of people cause harm. The shooting in San Antonio was a single person who had an issue with someone in the congregation. Right? So long answer to your short question. Armed people from the congregation can be good. Vigilant people in the congregation is even better, right? Just knowing the people you're going to church with, because you will know if Joe and Susie are getting along. And if Joe has anger issues and Susie has separated. Right. And he's threatened her life before. When you see Joe coming onto the church campus, the church property with a bag that looks like it can hold a rifle, we're going to take further notice. Right. So being vigilant can be even more effective than having armed people, but having saints who are trained and armed can be very helpful. Right. We will see many examples in the news where people in the congregation have either stopped a shooting from happening. or minimize the loss of life because they were quick to react and were carrying a fire. PATRICK (16:53.657) Yeah, I have to agree with you and you know, I have carried a firearm for many, many years now. And at one time I was actually a bodyguard and in a much earlier part of my life, I'd gone to the police academy and had that type of training. But in the years that I have carried a firearm, I have actually had to... used my weapon a couple of times as a civilian and once while wearing a uniform. Never had to fire a shot, thankfully. But if it had not been for the fact that I had that firearm, in one case a woman would have been severely hurt if not killed. And in another case, I was sitting there, it was, in fact, I'll tell you the story, it was a Sunday. This guy walks in, we were in Austin, and this guy walks in to this restaurant and it's hot outside. You know how hot it can get in Austin. And he's got a hoodie on. He's got the long sleeve hoodie sweater. And he's just profusely sweating. And he's got his hands in that front pocket. And I can see the outline of a pistol as he walked in there. And as soon as he walked in the restaurant, he and I locked eyes. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (17:58.83) Yes. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (18:11.15) Mm. PATRICK (18:20.121) And I reached behind my back, I had my firearm in the small of my back, put my hand on it, and I remember locking eyes with him and just kind of shaking my head no. And he and I locked eyes. He turned around, walked out, come to find out, he went down the row of, you know, it was like a retail row of stores. He went down and ultimately robbed. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (18:31.022) Wow. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (18:43.822) Yes. PATRICK (18:48.473) another place before the cops can get there. So, you know, you just never know. We live in a crazy world. You just never know. And I think you got to take steps to protect yourself, to be, like you said, to be vigilant. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (18:48.546) my goodness. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (19:03.182) Right. Well, in your example, you were right. You were situationally aware and just because you did have it right. You weren't bluffing because that could be a risky bluff, but just your situational awareness. Eye contact, a slight shake of the head and clearly a willingness to protect your family. The people there thankful that you were safe. It's unfortunate those. others weren't as prepared aware maybe. PATRICK (19:37.913) Yeah, it is unfortunate. Luckily, as far as I know, nobody was hurt, thankfully, but you know, it could have gone the other way really, really quickly. And, and sadly, in many cases, those things do go in the wrong way. Again, if you're going to carry a gun, get training, make sure you know how to use it, make sure you understand the legal implications because even if you were 100 % right, and you ever had every legal Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (19:43.15) That's good. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (19:55.374) Yes. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (19:59.598) Yes. PATRICK (20:05.913) theory behind what you did to support you. The minute you pull that trigger, your life is going to change. It's going to potentially change your life. It's going to potentially cost you tens of thousands, if not more dollars. And even if you're in the right, it could take your freedom away. So just be thankful about that. Think about that. My choice in light of all of that is to carry a gun. So not everybody's going to have that same view. But for me, Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (20:22.83) Absolutely. PATRICK (20:35.033) you know, I'm going to protect my family. We're going to take a quick break. We're going to hear from the Wounded Warrior Project and then we'll be right back. That number again, if you want to call in and talk to Brian, 855 -605 -8255. On the battlefield, there's a saying America's military men and women live by. Never leave a fallen warrior behind. Ever. Off the battlefield, Wounded Warrior Project operates with the same goal. Wounded Warrior Project was created to help our men and women returning home with the scars of war. whether those scars are physical or mental. Wounded Warrior Project. We never leave a fallen warrior behind. Ever. Learn more about what we do at woundedwarriorproject .org. PATRICK (21:20.089) Warning! The show you're listening to has been rated R by the Talk Radio Network Guild of America. Raw, real, and relevant. It's the Patrick Bass Show. Okay, Brian, we're gonna play Hole in the Headline. I'm going to read a headline to you, and you're gonna tell me what word is left out. So these are actual headlines from the news within the last couple of days. Wanna see if... See if you're up on your current events. So these are all actual headlines from current events. An ambulance collides with moose while responding to another. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (21:58.19) Well, I'm going to get some moose call. PATRICK (22:01.049) Yeah, you're right. It was a moose collision. Let's see, New York City law students blank. A New York City law students blank addiction leads to a $10 ,000 rehab. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (22:17.454) cocaine addiction? PATRICK (22:19.833) You know that it will, I'll tell you this. It does start with a C, but they had a cheese addiction. And where do you go for cheese rehab? Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (22:26.134) That's, well, that would be, I think those of us from remember the keto diet would have not considered that a need for rehab. That's just proper application. PATRICK (22:39.173) In Wisconsin, workers had to remove dozens of blank plants from the capital's tulip garden. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (22:52.558) Hmm. Well, cannabis? That's all. See, now if it was just legal, they could have collected tax revenue from that. PATRICK (22:56.353) They weren't two ellipses, it was the devil's lettuce. PATRICK (23:07.449) I'm not too sure. Well, I wonder how many of them went home with a little Mary Jane that night. I don't know. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (23:11.054) Right. They'll be drying out some some herbs in their garage. Their shed will become a place to dry things. PATRICK (23:17.385) You just never know. At the Toronto Pearson Airport about half a million dollars worth of blank were seized. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (23:29.198) Well, let's see, Toronto. Could be mask. KN95s. PATRICK (23:37.657) I had to go with baby eels. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (23:41.806) What's the market for baby eels? Actually, I should, I'm fearful to ask, but is that related to cuisine? PATRICK (23:50.969) You know, I don't know. Whatever the market is, they were worth more than a half a million dollars, presumably. Let's see, Hertz recently charged a man a $277 fee when he returned his Tesla with what? Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (24:12.078) Was it mine? Uncharged? I don't know. You got to fill up your gas tank. I guess you're supposed to charge your Tesla in advance. PATRICK (24:19.609) Well, it says they charged him $277 fee for not returning the Tesla with a full tank of gas. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (24:26.254) That's there there is a that's what we have the just a thinker podcast remind people the critical thinking is all but gone PATRICK (24:36.633) Yeah, it really is. And that's sad. I think you're a few years younger than me, but only by a few. So you remember Crayola crayons. I mean, the basic colors. You'd get the package of like eight and that had like the basic colors. But you know, if your family was doing well off, you'd get the big package that had the little sharpener in the back of it. But they were all normal colors. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (24:46.542) Yes. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (24:52.334) Right. Right? Yes. PATRICK (25:03.897) What are the I've got a list of the top five rejected Crayola colors here. Listen to this. the number one rejected Crayola color and who comes up with this stuff? Disease lime. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (25:16.718) That's that's that could be for the garbage pail kids from our childhood, but I that's. PATRICK (25:21.877) What is that like a putrid green? I mean, what is disease the lime? The second rejected color black and blue. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (25:26.765) That's beautiful. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (25:33.678) It could be a really fancy steak or just a bad weekend. PATRICK (25:42.969) Now this one, this one, I thought this was made up. I double checked this. This is actually true, but it's honky mother white. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (25:55.79) Well, you know what? I think they owe me royalties. Trademark infringement. PATRICK (25:57.273) I don't even know what's today. Hmm number four. Yeah number four carrot top red. Okay, I can kind of see that and then number five that makes no sense stallion purple Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (26:07.086) That's beautiful. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (26:13.654) I figured that'd be black. PATRICK (26:17.465) Yeah, I mean it. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (26:18.766) think Stallion, think of the childhood movie Black Stallion, I know it was written that it was based on a book but PATRICK (26:26.905) Now, you know, speaking of books, you know I recently got a couple of books out. One of them is called The Modern Gentleman, The Essential Guide for Modern Manhood. And do you know that a recent survey showed that half the men under age 30 do not own a suit. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (26:44.078) That's pretty, you know, it's not surprising. And I appreciate the book. I am three fourths of the way through. And I encourage everyone to pick up a copy. But it certainly doesn't surprise me. I wonder if there is a correlation to family church attendance over the decades in things like suit ownership, even though culturally, right in our congregation. Some people wear suits, some don't, but. I have at least one, and at this stage of life I have a couple, but I'm curious, do we see any trends where they're related? PATRICK (27:21.817) Well, you know, to be honest, I did not get my first suit until I had to go to a funeral, sadly. You know, so, and I grew up in a Southern Baptist church, so, you know. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (27:26.926) Mm. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (27:32.398) Okay. Maybe not. We'll find out, get the researchers to determine. PATRICK (27:40.633) Yeah, I was about 16 before, you know. So, speaking of, you know, churches, two out of five married couples in America do not share religious beliefs. I guess that's not surprising. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (27:55.598) You know that, that is, it's not surprising, but it should be right. I mean, I think we tend to hear people say like 50 % of marriages in divorce. That's really not the case. I think it's somewhere around 40 % of first marriages. It's the second and third where these numbers make that more significant. But you know, whatever someone's faith view is, whether they're, they think we're here by accident and they're atheist or materialist. Or there's some sort of divine intervention, you're a Christian, you're Jewish or Muslim, whatever the case may be. Not having your, your spouse share a similar worldview is a recipe for disaster. I just, I cannot, well, marriage is difficult, right? If you've found a really wonderful spouse, marriage is still a challenge, right? You see people with a good marriage, they worked hard on it. If If my wife called in, she would tell you that even within our faith, and we share a lot of the same views, we don't agree 100 % on everything. Imagine for a couple who either is completely outside the same faith tradition, right? We have a neighbor who is Jewish and her husband is Protestant. That's, you know, so if whether you're completely different faiths or... maybe from a different denomination where there's a significant variance, I would just think that, I would think that one aligns with the 40 % of divorces. Like again, those differing worldviews would just seem to make it even harder to reconcile differences. PATRICK (29:40.505) You know, I can almost, you know, you could kind of see a Protestant slash Jewish couple. I don't think you're going to see any Muslim slash Jewish couples. Maybe. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (29:50.766) No, that would one of them, well, neither of them would be fully committed to their faith. Right. That's a sure sign that they're both on one of those very progressive, the progressive synagogue and the progressive mosque, right. Maybe they're in the same street, but those would not be, I would not think they would be very observant within either. PATRICK (29:57.497) Right. PATRICK (30:16.025) Yeah, let me ask you this. Now, Brian, you know what this is. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (30:22.83) Yes sir, an iPhone. PATRICK (30:24.185) And we all have one, don't we? And we all know these things are not cheap. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (30:29.422) No sir. PATRICK (30:33.273) Where would you have to drop your phone in order for you to decide to not retrieve it? Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (30:39.086) Well, it would have to be... it would have to be pretty tough. It would also depend on the number of clients I brought in. So some days that could be far less, you know, that bar is higher and lower, right? I would. PATRICK (30:59.801) Alright, so I'll give you some thoughts and then you just tell me yes or no, okay? A pile of cow manure. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (31:00.27) Yeah. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (31:07.982) That might be, that would be fixable, I think. You could probably sanitize it. PATRICK (31:11.481) Okay. All right. Public toilet not flushed, not yours. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (31:18.766) Yeah, that's a lot tougher. That's a lot tougher. First, I want to ask, how did that happen? So we have to be careful with our restroom habits. PATRICK (31:30.153) yeah, gravy boat at thanksgiving. I think that's Yeah, Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (31:33.134) That one I'm pretty sure I'm going to fish that one out. PATRICK (31:38.937) Washing machine. Yeah, I think everybody reached down into the washing machine and grabbed their phone ice fishing hole that may not be possible Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (31:45.806) Yeah, that could be... that one's probably a goner. PATRICK (31:49.369) I think he's interested. Most people would pick it up out of a cow pile, but not a public restroom. That says a lot about it. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (31:56.974) Yeah, the public restroom, I know, it can be pretty scary. Unless if it was a Bucky's restroom, that might be doable. Bucky's is pretty clean. PATRICK (32:07.737) Hmm. Buc -Ease is clean and you know, we're about to get a Buc -Ease in Northwest Arkansas. I can't wait. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (32:15.95) Buc -E's can send you some remuneration, right? We give them a unplugged, unpaid commercial. PATRICK (32:23.161) Yeah, yeah, I'll all day long for Bucky's. Let's see here. Let me see here. I'm going to make an assumption that you listen to music and maybe you maybe listen to, you know, contemporary music, maybe you don't. But what what would you say is the perfect driving song where you just cruising? and you just want to you got the windows down maybe it's a convertible with the top down and you got the radio up what's the perfect driving song? Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (32:53.998) Man, I wish I could tell you a good one. I know I really good guest would be would have something faster. I would pick something maybe from my playlist. That's my workout playlist, which is variation of LaCray and Andy Mineo and 1000 foot crutch and some of these other folks. So it's a range from gospel guys that are hip hop to the rock version or I don't know what they call it these days. I'm so old that when I was a kid, it'd be considered like rock, but the people were singing are Christians, right? So. PATRICK (33:33.849) Okay. Yeah. My playlist is totally schizophrenic. I mean, I kind of like you. I have everything from old school hip hop. I have some gospel music. I have some rock and roll. I have heavy metal. I have just everything in between. But I'm a child of the 80s. I graduated in 87. So for me, when I think about cruising music, I'm thinking of like White Snake, Here I Go Again, Sweet Home Alabama, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Owner of a Lonely Heart, those kinds of things. Those are my jams, man. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (34:12.206) Yeah. there you go. That's right. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (34:22.254) Those would work. Those would work. PATRICK (34:26.201) I saw this news article and I wanted to get your opinion on this because I read this and there's a part of me inside that just literally wants to die. Illinois put politicians and I read that and I naturally think Chicago. I don't know why but I just do. Illinois Democratic state lawmakers are aiming to change the word offender. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (34:46.03) Hmm PATRICK (34:55.577) to justice -impacted individual. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (34:58.19) Yeah, that's in that wild like a couple things come to mind. One, we change the words. The meaning remains the same, right? We're just changing the words to is there someone tied to the person writing the legislation that has a brother in law in the printing business, right? How many documents are going to have to be changed? How many signs in various state buildings and paperwork? What all will have to be re printed, retyped, is it both a play or a pandering to? you know, some some base that wants to make it sound like the criminals not a criminal and is do they have a printing contract and a typing contract, you know, on on the line. PATRICK (35:50.489) Yeah, it's just crazy. I mean, no, I'm not a felon. I'm a justice impacted individual. well, I guess you're okay. I mean, it just it's it's it's absurd to me. And it just you know, it's some of that diversity inclusion stuff that that is just run amok. It's just kind of taking over. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (35:54.382) You're right. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (36:14.51) You know, it's, I really wish that politicians, instead of focusing on things like this, there are occasionally you will run into people in a prison or jail that maybe they had bad representation, right? And maybe they really are unjustly convicted. Man, take that effort and focus on those folks or maybe focus on the nonviolent drug offenders. Again, keyword. Nonviolent, that effort, the financial resources that would go to reprinting, retyping all those documents, right? It has to be redone. Man, I just, they could actually put that, those resources, their time, the taxpayer money, to something that's actually going to make an impact on someone's life, not just pander, you know, to someone and say, Hey, I'm thinking good thoughts. Well, Thinking good thoughts about you doesn't keep you warm on a snowy day kind of thing, right? Like, I could give you a jacket or I could wish you well, Patrick. Like, what do you want? Well, you'd probably do better off with a jacket than my well wishes. I think that's what they're sort of doing. PATRICK (37:27.481) Yes, yes, it seems like they could be spending that time and energy in a much more productive way other than coming up with labels that don't make sense. I mean, just call it what it is. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (37:32.814) Yes. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (37:39.534) Yes, sir. PATRICK (37:41.273) When you grew up, did you hear often turn that light off or shut the door? Not surprisingly, speaking about monthly energy bills, Hawaii has the highest average energy bill, while Utah has the lowest average utility bill coming in at $177 and $80 respectively. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (37:46.606) yes. PATRICK (38:08.249) I started thinking about that and I realized that my energy bill is higher here in Arkansas than in Hawaii. I don't understand. Those numbers don't make sense to me. What is it like in Texas? Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (38:21.006) You know, my wife is the household CFO. So I'm going to admit ignorance and I'm not even a president. It's so far removed from the day to day things that people face. It's just, she, she takes care of that, but it's interesting. The Hawaii now, cause they don't, I've been to Hawaii once for vacation or as our honeymoon. So only been one time, but ACU is not a common thing in Hawaii. And my recollection is good enough to know they don't need heat either. So maybe just power in general must be expensive just to keep those lights on because it's not because they're running the AC. PATRICK (38:58.041) must be. PATRICK (39:02.009) One of the things that we're facing in Fort Smith and this has really got a lot of people up in arms and rightly so. We have pretty high water bills and we get a bill from the city and the bill in and of itself is not just water. It's water and sewer and trash and they've probably got some extra fees in there and probably a couple other things. So water is only a portion of that bill. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (39:12.27) Hmm. PATRICK (39:30.265) But they're talking about increasing our water fee. My monthly bill for that, for the city for that is $116 a month, which to me seems like a lot. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (39:42.798) I think it does. Now I've seen some of ours before, you know, electric bills, we've, we adjusted our AC unit last year, one broke and we got one that was more energy efficient. And then if water is probably, I'm thinking our water bill has got to be well under a hundred dollars. I'm thinking maybe in the summer, if we've watered, it might be close to that. We've done a lot of watering, but I would think that ours, my recollection at least would be like half that again, I could be wrong, but does seem kind of hot. PATRICK (40:09.497) Seems high because they're saying here in this list, California has the highest monthly water bill at 77 and Wisconsin is tied with Vermont for the lowest at 18 and you know, and I think I need to go look back at that bill and find out how much of it is actually attributed to water. But I think it's a fair amount for that bill to be 116 bucks. And that says, you know, if we didn't do anything just to have it turned on in our name. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (40:19.598) That's nice. PATRICK (40:37.753) That's what it is, 116 bucks, so it's quite a bit. Internet, highest monthly internet bill, $50 in Iowa. Also Arizona, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, the list goes on. Lowest, Virginia, 20 bucks. As a remote worker, I've got some really stellar internet and mine is probably about 170 bucks, but I mean, you know, we're talking. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (40:39.374) Wow, that's yes, sir. PATRICK (41:07.353) gig fiber. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (41:08.846) I wish we were close enough to get where fiber could be had. We're guessing the other side of the tracks, apparently, from wherever the fiber people lay down fiber. And for cable and all the other variations, we've been at the tail end of whatever those lines are, right? The way it gets our particular neighborhood. And we're in a suburb of Austin. We're not out on a farm that's just been recently developed. So. PATRICK (41:20.633) Really. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (41:38.126) I would love to have a fiber option. PATRICK (41:41.721) Yeah, it's awesome. I mean, I can download extremely, I mean, obviously extremely fast. And even over wireless, you know, I'm getting about 600 megs down a second, which is nice. I was really hoping some of our listeners here in Fort Smith would call and they wanted to talk about the water bill because that's blowing up the Fort Smith Facebook page right now and everybody's up in arms about it, rightly so. The number if you want to call in 855 -605 -8255. It's 855 -605 -TALK. If you want to get on the line here with Brian or me and let us know how you feel about that darn water bill. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (42:29.454) You know what would make the water bills less is that if there was true competition, meaning the city didn't negotiate on behalf of the citizens, but Bass Water Inc. and Butka Water Inc. were fighting, if you will, competing for the business of the various citizens, not collectively, if you will, but individually, right? You're like, there's plenty of ground to put pipe in. And if really more than two of us, but if there were 10 water companies vying for your neighborhood's water or your home or your business's water, and yes, they'd have to lay the pipes, right. It would change that. If there was a real necessity. Yeah. Yeah. We, we forget that. PATRICK (43:15.769) Yeah, it's a sanctioned monopoly. It really is. And yeah, and you know, our electric here is OG &E. And then our gas is, I think it's AOG, Arkansas, something gas. So we get our electric utility out of Oklahoma. I mean, you know it's not the cheapest it to me it's it's not the cheapest i've lived all over the country and i've i spent a lot of money on electric so i mean i've i've seen better i've seen worse the gas is pretty reasonable here but i think if we could get that water bill down and then maybe on the electric down a little bit but i will say that our electric grid here is pretty stable Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (44:06.286) in the same would be true of energy, right, electricity, gas. There's some, you know, in Texas, it's a little bit deregulated. There are energy brokers, really, it's the same grid. But in my very anarchist world, there would be various energy providers, not just people who've bought power and are reselling it, because we have just the one grid, as far as I understand here in Texas, but there'd be a whole bunch of them. Again, same kind of thing. There'd be you know, the nuclear power folks that could run lines or, you know, do their thing, and really true competition. Not only would that be good for you, and me as a consumer, but it would actually be, in my opinion, far safer, you'll hear people talk about, no, what happens if there's, you know, something happens to the grid? Well, if there are a variety of grids, and a variety of power suppliers, it would take a lot of effort. to bring down 10 at once if Texas was supplied by 10 different ones, you know, or. PATRICK (45:08.409) Yeah, and I think that's the thing with Texas. I think they have their own grid that is unique to Texas through ERCOT. And then... Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (45:15.79) Now we just need like 50 of them to be really, to be truly independent. PATRICK (45:20.345) Yeah, well, and I think the rest of the country, you know, shares grids with other areas, but Texas, I think, has its own, which that's so Texas. I mean, it really is. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (45:30.862) We're partially there. We're not Texas enough. But that's the, again, the older I get, the more I get just leave me alone. Don't hurt me. Don't take my stuff in terms of politics. PATRICK (45:42.105) I always tell my wife if Texas declares its independence, we'll go back and be freedom fighters. So. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (45:48.27) There you go. That would, I think our politicians talk about it. I don't know that many of them mean it, but that's, I'm cynical regardless of party, right? Like I think sometimes those folks will, they'll kind of bow up like, Hey, we're really independent, but I don't think they're going to. The grid is a good start. Again, we could put instead of one grid here in Texas, you put a bunch of them so that there's true competition. And I think we would see those. PATRICK (45:56.057) Yeah, well. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (46:15.726) those power prices come down and service reliability go up. PATRICK (46:20.217) Yeah. Memorial Day is coming up. Do you guys have anything planned? Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (46:25.23) that's this weekend. Well, this weekend is graduation weekend. So our son is graduating a year early. So we'll be celebrating that on. Yeah. Thank you. We'll be celebrating that on Sunday. So we'll be spending some time with the family this weekend and celebrating his graduation. And he's looking forward to just working more. He's out mowing lawns now. And when he's not mowing yards, he's telling people it's his pleasure to serve them some chicken from Chick -fil -A. PATRICK (46:32.921) Congratulations. PATRICK (46:54.361) cool. That's a pretty good job I've heard. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (46:55.022) he'd like to have his own franchise. It is it is and Chick -fil -A, I'm not an expert in franchises. But Chick -fil -A is probably the best opportunity for someone to have a franchise or participate in a branded, they call it quick service, but fast food restaurant, because their cost to start is very low. They split profits on the back end, you usually can only own one. Sometimes too, if you're a really good operator, the gentleman he works with is a, has two. So he's a good operator and his income is, it's significant. it's, my son will share the numbers. I'm still not certain. I know he's not making it up, but I'm always curious if the people telling him are accurate, but it was multiple millions of dollars per year that the owner is making from his two restaurants. so I mean, that's. PATRICK (47:50.937) That didn't surprise me. I've heard that they pay their employees pretty well and they treat them well. I've also heard that about Buc -E's that they treat their employees pretty well. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (47:59.31) Buc -ee's, when you get yours there, they'll usually have a sign out front when they're hiring. And I want to say that their store management can make, I think, basis somewhere around 150 -bit with bonus and salary. It's well in excess of $200 ,000 a year. And there are various levels, right? If you're what I consider like entry -level management, you manage some team, the pay looks to be pretty competitive. Now, and I could see why they do that. Because when you go in, right, the restrooms are, they're... fanatic about cleaning things, right? They're accustomed to the floors are clean, the bathrooms are very clean. It's very rare that you go in and you don't have paper towels or soap to wash your hands. It's what it's meticulous. So they're going to need better quality folks to do that kind of work and to attract those better quality people. They're paying well above market rates. PATRICK (48:48.217) That's certainly a it's a it's a five -star experience when you go in the bathroom Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (48:51.214) And to anyone who has not been there, this does sound a little crazy because when I first heard people talk about being excited about going to a convenience store, I'm like, I don't even go inside those things. Why would you go inside unless you absolutely have to? And you're telling me you buy their swag, you wear their logo, you're excited about it. And then, so I thought those folks were crazy until we went and then... I have all kinds of Bucky's merchandise in my house and every new season just about my wife will get the new shirts and the kids will have the shirts. And yeah, it's certainly something that people should experience. If you're in the customer, if you're, if you run any kind of business, you work for someone, if you're a productive member of society, go visit one of those and you will have, you will have seen the Disney world of convenience stores. PATRICK (49:43.193) Yeah, I mean, I think most people know what a Bucky's is, but I mean, we're talking about a basically a gas station that has 100 pumps. You know, they have all kinds of it's almost like a general store inside. They have everything from jewelry to fishing gear to, you know, houseware, knickknacks. And then, of course, their iconic beaver. I guess his name is Bucky, but and then and then. You mentioned the bathrooms which are just phenomenal and always spotless and clean. But there are food there. They've got ready to eat food. I mean, and it's all really good. And now I'm really wishing I could go grab a barbecue sandwich from them. But yeah, so Memorial Day is coming up. I did a little research on this. Memorial Day was originally called Decoration Day. And it became a federal holiday in 1971. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (50:27.662) Like a brisket sandwich? Yeah, some fudge. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (50:42.446) Okay, what were we decorating? PATRICK (50:45.721) Well, I think it originally was recognized as a holiday following the Civil War. And they were decorating soldiers' graves. Yeah. And then a northern state started marking it as an official holiday in 1890. Different southern states, you know, recognized it on different days. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (50:47.726) for the military. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (51:02.414) interesting. Interesting. PATRICK (51:14.809) But it goes back to the Civil War where more lives were lost in any other war in US history. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (51:21.038) Yeah, that's, you know, I don't know that we do teach history enough in school, right? That's that is one that is really intriguing. He has an enormous amount of lives lost, really, to to respect life ultimately, right? To set those who were enslaved free. You know, what else is interesting is we just finished watching Sound of Freedom. And that has been a really, are you familiar with the sound of freedom? Okay, so it's a movie about sex trafficking. So we talk about trafficking today, but it's human slavery, right? There are more people enslaved today across this globe. PATRICK (51:53.177) No I'm not. PATRICK (52:11.961) That's really sad. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (52:15.79) than when slavery was illegal. So it's, you know, if you get a chance to see that Sound of Freedom, it's an impactful movie. I wouldn't say it's good, right, because it's a very painful topic, but it is really well done. I would say somewhat family friendly, right? You know. You know what the kids are experiencing without seeing anything that will. you know, I guess be a trigger for someone, you know, just it's, it's really well done. It's very impactful. But it was very interesting. When you mentioned civil war, how many people died, set slaves free. And that was important. And then today, we actually have more people enslaved than in the 1800s, you know, the 19th century. So it's really, it's interesting, I guess that still might not be the best word, how PATRICK (52:54.937) All right. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (53:19.918) significant that problem is it actually is it exceeds the the revenue from human trafficking exceeds that of narcotic sales. And one of the things that comes across the US border are trafficked people. PATRICK (53:36.409) That's terrifying. Well, and that kind of goes full circle into what you started talking about at the start of the hour. And maybe that would be a way to help stop those horrible crimes from occurring. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (53:45.166) Yes. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (53:57.038) Yes. You know, when we talk about legalizing any vice now, I want to really clarify, no one should ever be enslaved, right? Children cannot participate in consuming drugs or selling themselves because they're not at the age of consent. They're minors. You know, clarification, right? But if we made the border, if we made what we now call illegal immigration, we made immigration easier for people who want to come to work here. that would free up a lot of resources. I would go so far to say, Patrick, that we really should consider legalizing decriminalizing all devices from sex work to narcotics and not just the manufacture, I mean, not just the consumption of narcotics, but quite frankly, the manufacturer distribution possession and sale of so that you're they're labeled properly, you know what you're getting, they're no longer coming across the border. All the shootings that are happening in Chicago each weekend were young men are shooting, trying to kill other young men, that gang violence goes away. The women who right now, if a law enforcement goes in and bust some sort of sex workers, right? Everybody's arrested, even the ones who are there against their will. Okay, so now someone who's been sold. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (55:20.494) is also a criminal. So. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (55:25.774) They're victimized a couple of times, right? And, and again, not talking about children, children shouldn't be allowed to be bought or sold, but if we make some of these changes or at least talk about them, we can go to work on those much bigger issues because if narcotics, goodness, we can let the cartel buy into Pfizer to make this stuff. If it would slow down the drug trade and the fentanyl overdoses, same with sex work again. PATRICK (55:29.081) Yeah, that is unfair. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (55:55.598) not advocating prostitution, not at all. It's not going to help your marriage. It's not going to help the pain in your life, young man, young woman, right? I don't want my daughter in that work. But if we're looking at helping those in that situation, one, it would change trafficking because your people would have to have insurance or licensing or something. If someone was being trafficked, it would be much easier to identify them. to get them out would be much easier. So there are a lot of things that really the answer is not more guns and not more law enforcement because you're just not gonna change human nature, right? Again, not saying that those things don't have an impact on people, but as believers, we understand human nature better than most. And all of those things require heart changes and we cannot put enough. militarized law enforcement, border patrol out there to deter what the black market will bring up. Now, that doesn't mean we can make everything again, children can't be bought or sold. That's beyond imagination, at least for me beyond imagination, right? I'm talking about adults and buying and selling of drugs should all be adults. But it would those things would make a real positive impact on just human trafficking. Again, there's more people enslaved today. The profit from that is greater than the profit from narcotics globally. And the US is the number one customer. PATRICK (57:28.761) Yeah. PATRICK (57:35.417) Brian, when I went to the police academy in the late 80s, early 90s timeframe, we were called at that time, peace officers. And, you know, we were taught things like discretion, like for example, one of the scenarios, I'll never forget our instructor, who was an old retired salty, you know, former... Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (57:49.358) It's a forgotten term. PATRICK (58:04.825) sheriff in some Texas county and just you know imagine this you know typical Texas Ranger kind of guy this this was this dude and you know they would they would do things during each Academy class like you know pull one of you up there and kind of put you on the spot and ask you questions and he said okay you know you you roll up on into this empty colosack and there's a bunch of kids there smoking some weed and drinking and they're all like 17, 18, 19 years old. What do you do? I was like, well, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna arrest them, mine are in possession, you know, and I'll never forget the lesson he taught me about discretion that day and he's like, you know what what is it that you really trying to achieve and I'm like well I want to make sure that they're safe that they're not going to drive I want to make sure that their parents are aware of their behavior and I want to make sure it doesn't repeat he's like yeah you could arrest them that's one option you can all give them all MIPs you could also pour out all their beer stop their weed into the ground and call their parents make their parents come get them right there Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (59:01.486) Hmm. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (59:21.742) Right? Yeah. PATRICK (59:24.953) He said, you know, in one case you're going to put a bunch of kids into the system, we're going to end up hating cops. And another case you're going to deal with the problem directly and, you know, let the parents be parents. And now, you know, years later, I think in Texas, there's still technically licensed peace officers. but now the term is LEO, law enforcement official or law enforcement officer. And the focus is completely different. It's subtle, but it's important because it's not about keeping the peace or promoting safety and welfare. Do you know the cops do not have a legal obligation anymore to protect you? Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (59:52.686) Right? Yeah. It, it, it, it, yes. It's significant. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:00:10.83) Yeah. And that I do only because of things like Sandy Hook and what happened in Uvalde, right? Especially what happened in Uvalde. Peace officers standing outside. Oof. That would be a... The lawsuits are just getting settled from that. But I'm telling you, that day, I would have been... If I'd have been one of those parents, I would have called friends and go, hey, we're rolling there. I'm not that great a shot. PATRICK (01:00:43.321) Yeah, I couldn't have stood by it, you know, if I'd have been working as a police officer or just as a bystander. And I'm not saying this to try and be, you know, somebody who's better than somebody else. I'm just saying my conscience would not allow me to stand by even if it was putting my own life in grave danger or even possibly losing my life. If it was to save especially a bunch of innocent kids. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:00:47.95) and you go in. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:00:59.822) Right? Yeah. Yeah. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:01:11.726) kids. PATRICK (01:01:13.593) How could I go home at night, that night, and look my wife in the eye and have any integrity as a man? I just could not do it. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:01:14.926) Yeah. No, I'd rather die that day. PATRICK (01:01:24.473) You know, and I think you would kind of die if you didn't inside. You would die inside. Part of your soul. Yeah. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:01:29.454) Yeah, well, and that'd be a worse death, right? Wouldn't that be worse? I'd rather die on the job or as a parent or, you know, I'm telling the cops, you're either going to let me in or there's going to be a problem between you and me. And if you're afraid to go in there, you're definitely going to be afraid of me out here. And I'm not that tough. It would just be the willingness to risk life, right? That's the problem. PATRICK (01:01:43.577) Yeah. PATRICK (01:01:51.001) And now, you know, you see there was a recent video that made its rounds about a police officer who had pulled somebody over. I don't know the details and I'm not going to try and Monday morning quarterback it, but I do know what I saw. An acorn fell. And made a plinking noise and this officer. Lost it and ended up shooting and I assume killing the person that they had stopped because an acorn fell in it and. He's just, you know, they're just so ramped up and there's this us versus them mentality. And I think, you know, this goes to the thin blue line, you know, the us versus them, they're all out to get you, you can't trust anybody. And the fact that, and this is a documented fact, they're trying to hire people who are not educated, who... in some cases are foreign nationals who don't understand our legal or justice system to come in and police us. And it's terrifying because we now have SWAT teams that look like SEAL Team 6. You said SEAL Team 6 earlier. And then when you think about... Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:02:55.446) I think all that can go sideways. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:03:08.238) Right. PATRICK (01:03:12.729) things like the fact that right now there are more armed IRS agents than there are US Marines. I mean, what is going on in our world where we have, and this is a term I think that gets kicked around a lot, but we have militarized civilian law enforcement. They're no longer peace officers. They're no longer there to protect us, to defend us, to promote health and safety and welfare. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:03:19.95) That's bad. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:03:31.278) Yes. Yes, sir. PATRICK (01:03:43.065) They're there as agents of the state. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:03:44.654) And I think that's another reason again for believers, people will say, I follow Jesus, we should be digging into the instruction book he gave us and ask us the question that the your captain, I think was asking, what is our intended purpose? What's the goal? Right? As believers who are in America, and we want to live together, and we want to have some governance, what's our end goal? And are the laws we have the laws we advocate? Do they actually help us get to the end goal? Or do they make it harder? And in society where we've lost critical thinking skills, we don't, we certainly don't teach them in government assigned education centers. It's not a core staple of most homes because it's been removed from the education process for so long that now you're going to have law enforcement that is law enforcement, not a peace officer, not thinking. Hey, what's my end goal, right? With this kid, if I call his or her mom and dad, what's, is that, that's probably going to have a bigger impact than just putting them in jail and not having that, that moment. and then, you know, for us too, we've, when the one cop, when that particular one steps out of line, we have to hold them accountable because if we don't, then when I think this doesn't justify rioting and burning down neighborhoods, but when someone else gets, like again, hold that accountable who shoots someone because they're all amped up in qualified immunity. That's a terrible thing. and then we hold that individual accountable. That's, that's a plus to the system overall. Right. And there's some great ways to, you can end qualified immunity again in Brian's perfect world. you would just make each law enforcement officer, maybe the department to carry liability insurance. And so. Patrick, if I'm on the force and I've got my policy, right, that I'm personally paying for, and I have enough complaints against me for excessive use of force, and then my insurer drops me and I go to Bass Insurance Agency and you look and go, Brian, you're too high risk. I am not giving you a policy no matter how much you pay. Well, then I can't be employed. And that handles it. Because then if I have pulled someone over and I use excessive force, there's a financial penalty. There's a penalty to me. It may be prison. PATRICK (01:06:02.809) Yeah. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:06:11.854) But that family is not trying to spend the rest of their life fighting the state because they're never going to win or very rarely. And so there's some remuneration to them, some compensation to them, valuing that life. And then I will be held accountable. And then that force that I'm part of, they don't get the kind of the black eye, if you will. Right. And, you know, each each group has those folks should hold themselves accountable in some way similar to that. It certainly would. I would feel much better in the public and where we're at in Texas, I'm glad we have police, but at the same time, you could be pulled over for a blinker out and there could be two cars rolling up. Like it can be real intense, real intense. And that's, we shouldn't be fearful, right? The typical citizen should not be fearful of law enforcement, right? PATRICK (01:07:01.049) No. PATRICK (01:07:05.817) Yeah, I agree with you and you know, I wanted to give some context to what I'm about to say because as a former peace officer, I advocate less laws. We need less laws. We don't need more laws. We need less laws. We need personal responsibility. Qualified immunity is a horrible, horrible thing. And what that means is, you know, you can't basically you can't sue them. And there's no accountability. But you know, if we're going to make things more, if we're going to have less restriction, less laws, we really as a country need to have more self responsibility. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:07:56.974) Yes, sir. Totally agree. PATRICK (01:07:59.481) So, you know, it's a two -way street. Where does it begin? Where does it end? I don't really know. What I do know, Brian, is we're coming up on our hour. I want to thank you so much for being on this show with me today. I always enjoy chatting with you. And I know we'll get a chance to do that again real soon. Again, my name is Patrick Bass. This is the Patrick Bass Show on the Vanguard Radio Network. Bryan Bootka | Just a Thinker (01:08:00.526) Yes. PATRICK (01:08:28.761) Check out my books on Amazon .com, Burn Your Ships. Teach yourself how to be self -reliant, set goals, get ahead in life. And then the other is The Modern Gentleman. Great book if you've got a young man who's entering college or graduating high school, starting his life. It's definitely something you need to read. Thanks so much for joining us. and we'll catch you next time on the Patrick Bass Show. Take care. PATRICK (01:09:07.609) copyrighted 2023 all rights reserved and is produced and distributed by Vanguard Radio LLC Fort Smith Arkansas. For more information visit us on the web at www .vanguardradio .net.

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